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The database is provided in two principal formats: an Access database (with Excel and csv versions), and an online database accessible at Hill Bagging. Both formats offer logging facilities, with personal ascent records readily transferable between the two. Hill Bagging does not return the fields with absolute grid reference, latitude/longitude (except by reading off the map) or revision date, but includes links to photographs on the summitareas website.
Many hills occur in more than one list, which may give different data in the original sources. Where list authors appear to have chosen different locations for the summit, we have recorded this in the database. In cases where the locations could be regarded as separate summits we have listed the hills separately. This can be a subjective decision; we hope the majority of users will agree with our choices.
Changes to hill lists are generally announced on the rhb group, or for Nuttalls, on The Nuttalls' site. They are also mentioned on the news page of this site and in the revision history of the next release. Many of the recent promotions, deletions and relocations have been triggered by surveys by the database authors. We do not record changes to a hill's classification unless agreed by the list author. This can occasionally give rise to anomalies in the data. List of discrepancies
If you find any errors or wish to query any of the data, please email the authors at the address on the home page.subs, Marilyn and Hump Twin Tops and a few historic and subjective lists (Bridge, Buxton & Lewis, Dillon, Trail 100). More information on the individual lists is given in Definitions, and background under History.
Some lists are subsets of other lists. For example, the Marilyns are a subset of the Humps, and the Grahams are a subset of the Marilyns. The Hewitts are a subset of the Nuttalls, disregarding two differences in summit location. Other lists are not exact subsets due to discrepancies between lists. The Corbetts are not a strict subset of the Marilyns because Carn Liath is still a Corbett but has been replaced by Creag an Dail Bheag as the Marilyn. Similarly, Knockroe is the Hump but Ballydorgan the Binnion. There are two discrepancies that prevent the Sims from being a subset of the Tumps.
1 For lists where the current or original definition is expressed in feet
The Isle of Man is included in the listings of British Marilyns, Humps, Tumps and Deweys, but not in Hewitts, Nuttalls or Sims. Some older lists of British 2000ft hills, including Bridge and Buxton & Lewis, include Snaefell on the Isle of Man.
The Channel Islands is included in the British Humps, but not currently the Tumps.
1 As for Donald Tops but more than 17 units from the main top of the 'Hill' to which it belongs, where a unit is either one-twelfth of a mile measured along the connecting ridge or one 50-foot contour between the lower Top and its connecting col
Completions of the Munros (with Tops and Furths) are recorded by the SMC. The SMC also records completions of Corbetts, Grahams and Donalds by those who have completed the Munros. Completions of Corbetts are recorded by Dave Hewitt. Completions of Grahams and Graham Tops are recorded by Alan Dawson in the Marilyn News Centre. There no longer appears to be a record of completions of Corbett Tops on the web.
Outside Scotland, the Hewitts (Hills in England, Wales and Ireland over Two Thousand feet high), together with the Nuttalls in England and Wales, are the most accurate and up-to-date of a succession of publications listing the 2000-foot summits. In Ireland, the most popular list in recent years has been The Mountains of Ireland by Paddy Dillon. A listing of Irish hills equivalent to the Nuttalls was superseded in 1997 by a metric equivalent, the Vandeleur-Lynams. Some of the earlier lists are of historical interest but for practical use most people will have little reason to look beyond those mentioned above. However we acceded to requests to include Buxton & Lewis (1986) and Bridge (1973). The last two lists are defined by the original publication and are not subject to revision. The lists of Elmslie, Simpson and Moss have been republished online by Moss.
Completions of the English, Welsh and Irish 2000-foot hills are recognised by the Long Distance Walkers Association (LDWA). It might be thought unreasonable to treat England and Wales as one country, but only The Nuttalls will record completions of one list without the other.
The first publication to list the 500m tops of England and Wales was Michael Dewey's Mountain Tables in 1995. They effectively extend the Hewitts down to 500m. Completions are recorded by the LDWA. The Deweys were extended to Ireland (the Myrddyn Deweys) by Michael Dewey and Myrddyn Phillips in 2000, and to the Scottish Lowlands (Donald Deweys) by David Purchase in 2001. Hitherto, 500m hills in the Scottish Highlands have not had a separate identity, but a complete listing of Scottish 500m hills was compiled by Rob Woodall using data from Tony Payne, Clem Clements, John Kirk and others and uploaded to the rhb group (2003, revised 2006). To distinguish the Highland hills from the Donald Deweys in searches etc. we have named them Highland Fives. All the 500m lists have been comprehensively revised since their original publication.
In Ireland, MountainViews has built on data from other sources to create the Arderins for hills over 500m high and the Carns for hills in the 400–500m range.
The Marilyns was the first list with a criterion on drop alone, and none on height. Published by Alan Dawson in The Relative Hills of Britain in 1992, the Marilyns quickly attracted the interest of serious baggers. Marilynists' interests are covered by a website, an e-group, a newsletter and an annual meet. The completion of the 1556 Marilyns of Great Britain is a formidable challenge which because of the inaccessibility of the St Kilda sea stacs has yet to be achieved, but a tally of 600 is sufficient to join the Marilyn Hall of Fame. The Marilyns were extended to Ireland by Clem Clements in The Hewitts and Marilyns of Ireland in 1997.
Marilyns have a drop (minimum descent before ascending to higher ground; also known as relative height or prominence) of at least 150m. They were supplemented in 2007 with the Humps (Hundred Metre Prominence) which reduces the minimum drop to 100m. The list was compiled by Mark Jackson from a large number of sources and published online in More Relative Hills of Britain (12Mb). There are almost 3000 British Humps, including three in the Channel Islands. There are a further 833 Humps in Ireland; the first complete listing was produced by Jim Bloomer in 2011.
Background to the Humps project is given in Hill Bagging. By analogy with the Marilyn Hall of Fame, Mark Jackson created the Humps Hall of Fame, requiring 1200 ascents of British Humps.
The Tumps (Thirty & Upward Metre Prominences) comprise all the hills of Britain with 30m or more of drop, with no minimum height. Thus it incorporates a number of other hill lists, and naturally owes its existence to many contributors over several years. The Murdos, Corbett Tops, Graham Tops, Hewitts, Deweys, Donald Deweys and Highland Fives comprise the portion of the Tumps above 500 metres. The hills between 300 and 500 metres were first listed by Clem Clements. His work, though never published, was made available to the rhb community, which paved the way for a complete listing of Tumps to be released by Mark Jackson in 2009, upon finishing three years of on-and-off research into the c.8,000 hills below 300 metres. The original list was subsequently revised using data from Myrddyn Phillips' independently compiled lists of English and Welsh hills below 500 metres (the Pedwars, Fours, lower Welsh P30s and subs). The Tumps comprise over 16,000 hills and have been greeted by a mixture of enthusiastic bagging and the feeling that this is all a bit much. Andrew Tibbetts maintained and improved the list and in December 2011 released an Excel file containing the 10,000-odd hills not present in the DoBIH. This file became the P30 Appendix to the DoBIH in May 2013. It went through two revisions before being brought into the DoBIH in version 14.
Walkers who have climbed 2,000 Tumps are eligible to join the Tump Hall of Fame. A list of members is available in the Files section of the rhb group under Hills of Britain. The Tump Forum is on Google Groups. The Tump Forum and TumpHoF are maintained by Adrian Rayner. For data queries or corrections to the Tumps please email both and .
Such is the popularity of the English Lake District that a number of lists have emerged specifically for that region. The best known is the Wainwrights, which was almost certainly not conceived as a list. The Birketts is a more recent listing of Lake District Hills. The Wainwright Outlying Fells and the Birketts were each published as a set of walks rather than a list, but as with the Wainwrights, a tradition of climbing them has developed. The Synges is a longer list published in The Lakeland Summits: Survey of the Fells of the Lake District National Park by Timothy Synge in 1995. The most recent list is the Fellrangers, a set of eight volumes authored by Mark Richards inspired by the Wainwright guides. The LDWA recognises completions of all these lists except the Synges.
The County Tops of England and Wales were first listed by Moss in 1951. Other listings appeared from 1973 onwards, including coverage of Scotland and Ireland in 1985. In Britain, the frequent local government reorganisations have caused lists based on administrative boundaries to become quickly out of date, and some walkers may prefer to ascend the highest points of the historic counties. Simon Edwardes overhauled the county tops for the Hill Bagging website and produced lists based on both historic and administrative boundaries. These lists are given in the database and are the most up-to-date available. The LDWA records completions of County Tops in England, Wales and Ireland but not Scotland.
In June 2010 Alan Dawson proposed a new set of metric categories to replace the familiar lists of British hills over 2000ft high. The only one of these lists to have attracted significant interest is the Sims (Six-hundred Metre Summits), comprising all hills in Scotland, Wales and England over 600m high with at least 30m drop. Unlike the other metric categories, most of which offer a straightforward "metric" alternative to an existing list, the Sims unify four existing lists and cover the whole of Great Britain. The principle has now been extended to Ireland. For completeness we have added the Isle of Man (one summit, Snaefell), but this hill is not on Dawson's list. The Sims Hall of Fame requires the ascent of 2000 British Sims.
There is considerable interest in listing mountains worldwide that meet defined prominence thresholds. For information visit the Topographic Prominence and Europeaklist websites and their associated discussion groups. An early US led initiative was to list hills worldwide with a drop of at least 2000ft (609.6m). Although a register of baggers' totals is maintained by Andy Martin (and by Rob Woodall for British based walkers), the prominence criterion has been superseded by 500m or 600m in countries outside the US. The Major Mountains of Britain and Ireland, abbreviated to the Majors, have a minimum 600m of drop. Hills having a drop of at least 500m or 600m can be obtained by a search on drop, or by a sort in the Excel version, and both lists are offered on Hill Bagging. Internationally, 1500m drop has become the accepted standard for the most prominent mountains and the category is known as the Ultras.
In v11.2 we added the Trail 100, a list of 100 hills published in Trail magazine in 2007 which had become popularised by becoming the objective of the WaterAid Trail 100 charity challenge. It required the addition of three hills, one of which was Slieve Donard in Northern Ireland. Slieve Donard was temporarily given hill number 5617 before changing to 20016 when Ireland was added in v12. The charity event was not repeated after 2008 and 2009, but the list is still referenced in Trail.
A replacement creates a new hill in the database whereas a relocation does not. With the exception of Tumps, most moves of more than 400m will trigger a replacement, but lesser moves are similarly treated if the summit has a clearly separate identity, or if the former summit is retained as a member of a different list (e.g. the former Marilyn summit of Wansfell is a Birkett).
Our definition of replacement is more liberal than that adopted by the RHB updates (in "Hill changes") or the Appendix to the Humps e-book (which requires 30m of drop between the original summit and the replacement). This is necessary in order that a change in location does not invalidate baggers' records, including walkers' logs in Hill Bagging. For example, Botley Hill, which moved by 1km, clearly justified a new record as many baggers had to revisit the hill following the change.
In doubtful cases we will create a new hill if there is a fair chance that a bagger of the former summit would not have visited the new one, recognising that most baggers will make an attempt to locate the highest point when there are plausible alternatives in the vicinity. In the case of the relocation of 5372 Frith Hill to the southern summit of Bradlow Knoll, we decided against replacement even though the move is 500m, because walkers will probably have visited the other possible summits (including another to the north) as there are no spot heights on any mapping.
A relocation is a significant move (at least 100m, usually more) that is worthy of mention but does not merit a replacement. Relocations are mentioned in the revision history and (at least while they are relatively recent) in the Comments field.
Chronological records of changes (excluding data changes) are given for the following lists.
MarilynsBritish and Irish hills of any height with a drop of at least 150 metres on all sides. The geographical area includes the Isle of Man and the islands of St Kilda.
A Marilyn Twin Top is a summit of equal height to another Marilyn where the drop between the two is less than 150m and (as of March 2010) at least 30m. There are currently three twins in Britain and one in Ireland: Sidhean a'Choin Bhain (also a joint Graham), Cnoc Coir a'Phuill, Saugh Hill and Knockalla Mountain NE Top.
Meall nan Damh (formerly a joint Graham), Sgurr a'Bhac Chaolais, Middleton Hill, An Stuc and Carn Liath were formerly twin Marilyns. Carn Liath is still a Corbett but has been replaced by Creag an Dail Bheag (a twin Marilyn until October 2013) as the Marilyn.
Many hills have alternative summit locations of apparently equal height that fail to qualify as Twin Peaks. Examples of such hills feature in the RHB update sheets. For historical reasons some of these summits have separate entries in the database. For other hills, alternative high points are noted in the Observations or the Comments field. It is left to the walker to decide whether all such points should be visited; on some hills there are many candidates for the highest point and the exercise could degenerate into pedantry.
HumpsBritish and Irish Hills of any height with a drop of at least 100 metres or more on all sides. The name Hump stands for Hundred Metre Prominence. As all Marilyns qualify as Humps, the classification code Hu is only used for non-Marilyns; however all Humps are returned in searches. The geographical area was extended to the Channel Islands in November 2011.
A Twin Hump is defined as a summit of equal height to another Hump where the drop between the two summits is at least 30m but less than 100m.
MunrosScottish hills at least 3000 feet in height regarded by the SMC as distinct and separate mountains, based on a list originally published in 1891. Subsidiary summits meeting the height criterion are designated Munro Tops; note however that the 'Tops' as defined in Munro's Tables includes the Munros. Summits equivalent to the Munros and Tops in England, Wales and Ireland on the SMC's list are known as Furths.
MurdosScottish hills at least 3000 feet in height with a drop of at least 30 metres on all sides. All Murdos are Munros or Munro Tops but some Munro Tops fail to qualify as Murdos.
CorbettsScottish hills between 2500 and 2999 feet high with a drop of at least 500 feet (152.4m) on all sides.
Corbett TopsScottish hills between 2500 and 2999 feet high with a drop of at least 30 metres on all sides. The TACit publication divides them into three sub-categories: Corbetts, Corbett Tops of Munros, and Corbett Tops of Corbetts.
GrahamsScottish hills between 2000 and 2499 feet high with a drop of at least 150 metres on all sides.
Graham TopsScottish hills between 2000 and 2499 feet high with a drop of at least 30 metres on all sides. The TACit publication divides them into five sub-categories: Grahams, Graham Tops of Munros, Graham Tops of Corbetts, Graham Tops of Grahams, and Graham Tops of Hewitts (one hill).
DonaldsHills in the Scottish Lowlands at least 2000 feet high. 'Tops' are all elevations with a drop of at least 100 feet (30.48m) on all sides and elevations of sufficient topographical merit with a drop of between 50 and 100 feet. Certain of these are designated 'Hills' according to a formula based on both distance and drop: see the footnote to the second table in Summary of lists.
A related list is Dawson's New Donalds, not given here, in which the qualifying criterion is simplified to 30 metres of drop. The New Donalds are a subset of the Graham Tops. Anyone who has completed the Donalds and Donald Tops will have visited all the New Donalds.
HewittsHills in England, Wales and Ireland at least 2000 feet high with a drop of at least 30 metres on all sides.
NuttallsHills in England and Wales at least 2000 feet high with a drop of at least 15 metres on all sides, as published in The Mountains of England and Wales. The list includes 127 summits that do not qualify as Hewitts. Particularly notable is Pillar Rock as its ascent by the easiest route is a Moderate rock climb or Grade 3 scramble. Many of these additional summits, including Pillar Rock, also feature in Bridge's and Buxton & Lewis's lists. Completions without Pillar Rock are accepted by the LDWA and the Nuttalls, though this is recorded. MountainViews with subsequent revisions until his death in 2011.
DillonsHills in Ireland at least 2000 feet high published in The Mountains of Ireland. There is no prominence criterion. 15 Dillons are not Hewitts; 14 have drop <30m, while 20213 Corcog has a 609m spot height (the old 1:10560 map shows 2012ft which converts to 610.6m on the new datum). 12 Hewitts are not Dillons.
DeweysHills in England, Wales and the Isle of Man at least 500m high and below 609.6m with a drop of at least 30m on all sides. Equivalent lists in other geographical areas are the Donald Deweys in the Scottish Lowlands, the Highland Fives in the Scottish Highlands, and the Myrddyn Deweys in Ireland.
The most awkward Dewey is Great Links Tor, which even with the aid of a ladder to gain the crag presents difficulties on wet rock. A completion without Great Links Tor is accepted by the LDWA, though this is recorded.
SimsHills in Britain and Ireland at least 600 metres high with a drop of at least 30 metres on all sides. The British Sims comprise all Murdos, Corbett Tops, Graham Tops and Hewitts together with hills in the range 600—609.6m. We have extended the Sims to the Isle of Man (one summit) and Ireland.
TumpsBritish hills of any height with at least 30m of drop. MountainViews and named in 2009. The name comes from the 527m hill which is the County Top for both Laois and Offaly and means, from the Irish, "Height of Ireland". In principle the list amalgamates the Irish Hewitts and Myrddyn Deweys, but there are some differences due to use of a different data source – see discrepancies. MountainViews, based on a list originally supplied to the Mountaineering Council of Ireland by Myrddyn Phillips. The name comes from Carn Hill, Cnoc an Chairn, "hill of the cairn" in the Sperrins. We have overhauled the data using current and old maps and produced an updated listing identified with the classification code 4. The Mountainviews list can be obtained in searches via the code Ca. Differences between the two lists are tabulated in discrepancies. discrepancies.
WainwrightsThe 214 hills listed in volumes 1-7 of Wainwright's A Pictorial Guide to the Lakeland Fells.
For a good many hills the summit location is not the highest ground in the vicinity. This is often due to Wainwright's preference for a recognisable feature such as a cairn (which may have disappeared). It is not always straightforward to identify such locations on the map, but most are now resolved following site visits.
The list at the back of Wainwright's book contains 110 named fells and summits. Close inspection shows seven of them to refer to other hills in the list, while Newton Fell has two summits. Thus:
BirkettsLake District hills over 1,000ft listed in Bill Birkett's Complete Lakeland Fells.
County boundaries change over time. There are different county lists, covering the traditional historic counties and the more recent mixtures of administrative areas.
We provide three separate lists of county tops that we believe are the most commonly used in the pursuit of county top bagging:
For completeness, we have also provided a list of London Borough tops. In terms of administrative tier, these are at the same level as Metropolitan Districts.
Twin tops are listed for some County Tops.
All deleted tops are present in the database, but only deletions in the SMC lists and deleted Nuttalls are identified by a classification code. For other hill categories, the deletion is usually recorded in the Comments field, at least while the deletion is relatively recent.
The deletion categories are:
In the TACit booklets the "sub" categories include hills falling short on height, and there are additional categories for subCorbetts and subGrahams. The new definitions appeared in Marhofn in May 2006. The rationale for the change was explained in an rhb group message.
The statistical error associated with heights on OS maps means that some marginals have a non-negligible probability of qualifying for a list. Serious baggers who wish to legitimately claim ascent of all hills meeting the list criteria will need to climb some subs, in addition to hills falling short on height. As a rough guide, for hills whose height and drop have not been accurately measured by surveying you should climb those within 3m of the qualifying height and 4m of drop. If you are interested in the English 2000s you should also climb Calf Top as the surveying error exceeds the shortfall on height. For further information see Allowing for measurement error. It would be wrong, incidentally, to assume that hills falling short on both height and drop have an insignificant probability of qualification. A change in summit height will often induce a corresponding change in drop. Birks Fell was at one time a DoubleSubHewitt (in the old classification) with height 608m and drop 29m.
RHB=The Relative Hills of Britain; TACit=TACit Tables. Significant changes to Marilyns since RHB's publication in 1992 are summarised in update sheets every few years that can be found on the Marilyn News Centre. The TACit Tables have not been updated, apart from The Grahams and the New Donalds in 1999.
Hill NameThe name by which the hill generally appears in lists. If this varies, or if the list is authored by a member of the Editorial Team i.e. Humps and Tumps, we usually prefer the name that seems most compatible with current OS mapping. Alternative names are given in square brackets. Qualifiers are enclosed in round brackets.
For some multi-topped hills e.g. Liathach or Quinag, the SMC gives both names. The Name field will give the two names separated by a hyphen. This allows users to search the database on either name. We have followed the same convention for a few non-SMC hills where the summit has a different name from the hill, usually when the original list gives both e.g. Birnam Hill - King's Seat.
Where a Scots Gaelic name has an apostrophe, our convention is not to use a trailing space. Thus we give Stuc a'Chroin rather than Stuc a' Chroin. However where a' is a contraction (for hills this is usually a contraction of "an") it is correct to insert a space, and the OS generally does so. Our usage aligns with RHB, the TACit Tables and most hill names in Munro's Tables, and as we have followed this convention since v1 we believe that maintaining our current practice is the least confusing for users.
To facilitate searching, accents appearing in Gaelic and Welsh names have been removed.
Irish hill names are taken from Clements' TACit Tables and MountainViews. For British hills we try to include all names appearing in maps and lists that users are likely to search on, even if incorrect.
'none' indicates a non-Marilyn with no parent. Such hills will lie on an island where no hill reaches 150m in height.
Parent NumberThe hill number of the parent. 0 corresponds to 'none'.
Parent SortShown in the Excel and csv versions, where it appears to the right of _Section. As Parent Number but with the hill's own number added for hills that are parents. Thus a filter or sort on this column will return a parent (usually first) and all its children. An equivalent facility is provided in Access with the "Parent Ma/M" query, accessible from the Queries menu in the DoBIH_v14:Database window. A hill whose parent is not yet assigned will be blank in the Excel field but -1 in the Access query.
Sections 43-56 apply to Ireland. We have created Section 57 for the Channel Islands.
Subsequent to the publication of RHB, the boundary between Sections 1 and 26 was moved to follow the course of the Highland Boundary Fault, resulting in some hills being moved from 1B to 26B. The boundary between Sections 10B and 10C was moved eastwards to Loch Blair and the Allt a'Choire Riabhaich. This resulted in Sgurr Mhurlagain being transferred from 10B in RHB to 10C in Corbett Tops and Corbetteers.
Hills duplicated in more than one section of the RHB/TACit Tables, or which could be put in more than one section, have been treated as follows:
Black Mountain (2242, Wales)
Hills on the England-Scotland border
Cuilcagh (20137, Ireland)
_SectionA numeric version of Section given in the Excel and csv versions. In earlier releases sections 5, 6, 8 and 26 were not subdivided, but the field now aligns with Section.
RegionThe RHB/TACit Section name.
A few hills on the Scotland–England border belong to "Cheviots" in the Nuttalls' volume and "Roxburgh and Cheviots" in the Donalds listing in Munro's Tables. This presents a problem with the Excel and csv versions of the database, unless one adopts the clumsy solution of giving each list a separate Area field. Furthermore, in version 12 we wished to assign area names to other Lowland hills and "Roxburgh and Cheviots" is far from ideal. All versions of Munro's Tables prior to 1997 give two areas, "Roxburgh" (section 11) and "Cheviots" (section 12). The SMC amalgamated the two regions when they removed Auchope Cairn and the six unnumbered English tops in 1997, leaving only three hills in total. We decided the simplest solution was to revert to the pre-1997 sections, as "Cheviots" is also the Nuttalls area name. Accordingly, 1906 Cauldcleuch Head is in "Roxburgh", and 1846 Cairn Hill West Top, 2303 Cairn Hill and 2305 Auchope Cairn are in "Cheviots". Three new area names have been created to accommodate the Donald Deweys. There is no conflict between Nuttalls and Wainwrights because the Nuttalls use the Wainwright volume titles.
For Wainwright Outlying Fells we have extended the areas defined in the Pictorial Guides by continuing the Windermere boundary southwards along the River Leven to Greenodd, and from Bassenthwaite Lake north-west along the River Derwent. In England and Wales, the Nuttall and Wainwright names have been used for all other hills falling within those areas, with Central Wales subdivided into three regions. The classification of hills situated between the English Lakes and Yorkshire Dales National Parks will be reviewed in the event of the proposed boundary extensions going ahead.
For some Deweys in Wales, one can make a case for a different area name from the one we have chosen. A particular problem lies in the boundary between the Arans and Berwyns for the hills south of Bala from Rhiwaedog-uwch-afon (3421) in the north to Mynydd Maes-glas (3424) in the south. The easiest solution would be either to put them all in the Arans, as Dewey does, or all in the Berwyns. However in the Nuttalls' book, Moel y Cerrig Duon (2116) belongs to the Arans and Foel y Geifr (2115) and Foel Goch (2123) to the Berwyns. Geographically this is not very logical, but the Nuttalls clearly did so because Moel y Cerrig Duon is conveniently included in the same walk as the hills west of the road summit. Our current solution is to assign those hills south of Moel y Cerrig Duon and south-west of Lake Vyrnwy to the Arans, and those north of Moel y Cerrig Duon and to the north-east of Lake Vyrnwy in the Berwyns, with the exception of Moel Eunant (3412) which is a satellite of Moel y Cerrig Duon. We feel this is the best we can do without breaking the alignment with the Nuttalls' book.
To divide the Arenigs from the Moelwyns we chose to make the boundary Ffestiniog-B4391-B4407. There are other options but none are demonstrably better. The Moelwyns (as defined by the Nuttalls) span two RHB sections, 30B and 30D. We have used Dewey's area Hiraethog for the four hills within that region as it does not contain any 2000ft summits.
For hills outside the areas mentioned above, commonly used regional names are used where appropriate, e.g. Forest of Bowland.
Other lists not shown in the classification field but obtainable in the search dialogs and columns of the Excel and csv versions are as follows:
The CT and GT codes in the search dialogs exclude Corbetts and Grahams, respectively.
Unclassified hills include deletions, hills surveyed as falling short of Nuttall status, and a few hills that existed on Hill Bagging before the databases were merged in v11.Geograph website and the vector maps on the OS OpenData website, both of which show many spot heights absent from the 1:25k and 1:50k maps. This has enabled us to revise many summit and col heights previously estimated by contour interpolation. Many spot heights on Landranger maps are metric conversions of older imperial heights, although these are gradually being replaced. Heights obtained by ground levelling are more accurate than air heights on current maps, but their positions on the map may be approximate and, as with air heights, they are not always at the summit. For some hills we have taken levelled heights from old 1:10560 or 1:2500 maps, where necessary adjusting for the change in datum from Liverpool Dock to Newlyn in 1921 (most corrections are <0.3m). In May 2012 we commenced a systematic review of all the British data in the DoBIH using the latest mapping resources, which was completed with the release of v13.1. We have commenced reviewing the data for the 10,000 Tumps added in v14.
Spot heights often differ between maps. The largest scale map on Geograph and the OS Openspace vector map are the most consistent on heights, but very occasionally these differ too. Most discrepancies are 1m. Differences of 3m or more usually correspond to non-identical locations. The error in air heights from photogrammetry is ±3.3m so it does not follow that one measurement is right and another wrong; they are just different estimates of the height. We have found no difference in the accuracy of spot heights displayed at different map scales, so there is no reason to prefer the larger scale maps.
We now have 10-figure grid references from GPS measurements for most hills in the popular lists. As described below, we use these to derive the 6-figure grid reference. For a growing number of hills we have accurate height measurements from differential GPS. Other published lists may give different data. One reason why grid references can vary is that authors do not measure them in the same way. By convention, a 6-figure OS Grid Reference is the address of the 100m square in which the feature lies. This is given by the co-ordinates of the south-west corner of the square (the same rule applies however many digits you quote). For example, the trig point of Great Shunner Fell is located at SD 84862 97290 so the correct 6-figure grid reference is SD848972. TACit Tables comply with this convention but many list authors round to the nearest 100m instead; in the above example they would give SD849973. Another reason for published grid references not matching ours is that the true summit may not be identified on the map; there are many examples in the database where a spot height or trig pillar is not at the highest point.
Before truncating the entry in the 10-figure grid reference field to create the 6-figure GR, we make a small adjustment to correct for systematic error in the GPS readout (see below). This ensures that 6-figure grid references and xcoord, ycoord values are to the OSGB36 datum.
For Wainwrights the author sometimes gives a summit location that is not the highest point of the fell. This is particularly true of the Outlying Fells. Our policy is to take the location intended by Wainwright. We have followed the same policy with Birketts. Where there is a conflict between the location implied in the text and the grid reference in Birkett's book we prefer the former, as we understand the GRs were added later by a different author. Any doubtful cases are mentioned in the Comments field.
Metric heights are converted to feet using a factor of 1/0.3048.
Vertical heights on current mapping are relative to mean sea level at Malin Head. Earlier maps, e.g. the half-inch maps and the 1:63360 District Maps, use the low water mark of the spring tide on 8 April 1837 at Poolbeg Lighthouse, Dublin. The Malin Head datum is approximately 2.7m above the Poolbeg Lighthouse datum.
Grid references are for UTM zone 30U and use the WGS84 datum. This grid is shown on the two "Official" paper maps although it is not the primary grid on the States of Guernsey Official Map, which uses the Guernsey Grid. The grid letters are WA for Alderney and WV for the other islands. Older maps use the ED50 European datum. The two datums give a difference of about 300 metres in grid reference. The extracts from the MoD maps published in the Sunflower guides, and some modern maps such as the 1:12500 International Travel Map of Guernsey and the smaller islands, use the older coordinate system so please bear this in mind when using the data. To avoid potential problems we recommend using latitude/longitude with third party applications.
Garmin GPS units use the WGS84 datum by default when set to UTM/UPS grid but return the absolute coordinates (shown in the xcoord, ycoord fields) rather than the lettered GRs. The same is true of GPS Utility. GPS Utility also offers the new Guernsey Grid.
There is also a new Jersey Grid, whose parameters can be found in a web search on "Jersey Transverse Mercator". This grid does not appear on the States of Jersey Official Leisure Map.
We are grateful to David Purchase for researching the maps and providing the data.prominence in the US, is defined as the height difference in metres between the summit and the col connecting the hill to a higher summit. Where there is more than one such col, the highest is chosen.
Cols are usually much less well defined than the summits of hills and therefore six-figure col grid references given in the database generally have an uncertainty of 100m in easting and/or northing. Within much of Ireland there is no data beyond contouring for col position and height. There is, therefore, much greater use of contour interpolation and consequently lower accuracy.
Col heights and drops given to 0.1m are from surveys. Col positions given to 8 or 10 figures are from GPS measurements; with the exception of a few obvious locations, these too were determined by surveying.
Except where otherwise indicated, all measurements were obtained on the ground using Garmin GPS units. Most are accurate to within ±5m of the summit feature; many are more accurate than this because they are the average of two or more independent readings. Measurements on the latest models which utilise the GLONASS satellites are also somewhat more precise. Any measurements by differential GPS will be accurate to 1m.
A comparison of 246 OS measurements of trig points with our GPS measurements revealed systematic errors in the GPS data. On average, GPS eastings range from being 7m higher than OS eastings in the westernmost parts of Scotland to 1m lower in the east. GPS northings vary from being 14m lower than OS northings in Northern Scotland to 9m higher in SW England. We are grateful to Darren Parker who had himself discovered this error and researched its cause. We reproduce Darren's explanation below.The latitude and longitude shown on Ordnance Survey maps are determined with respect to the OSGB36 (Ordnance Survey Great Britain 1936) datum. This datum is based upon a ground survey performed between 1936 and 1953 and uses the ellipsoid defined by Sir George Airy in 1830. The latitude and longitude can be converted to planar coordinates using a Transverse Mercator projection (once the origin is defined) to give the National Grid references we use. Since the advent of GPS the method of defining the National Grid has changed. It is now defined using the latitude and longitude determined with respect to the ETRS89 datum (which is based upon the WGS84 datum and uses the GRS80 ellipsoid) which are then converted using a transformation known as OSTN02 to give the grid reference with respect to OSGB36. The OSTN02 transformation is not a simple transformation defined by equations alone, but because of distortions in the OSGB36 grid, it makes slight shifts in northings and eastings. The grids of northing and easting shifts between ETRS89 and OSGB36 cover Britain with a grid resolution of one kilometre. The shifts of a particular point are then interpolated from this grid. The OSTN02 transformation can be performed online at www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/gps/transformation or using the Grid InQuest software obtainable via the site.
Thus the National Grid is now defined by ETRS89 and the OSTN02 transformation. A good guide to the subject is A guide to coordinate systems in Great Britain. Also available is an Excel spreadsheet with many useful functions for converting from one datum to another.
A GPS unit determines the latitude and longitude of its position in the WGS84 datum (which is almost identical to the ETRS89 datum). In order to display this position as a British National Grid reference the GPS unit must perform a transformation. Unfortunately, the transformation equations stored in the unit are not as accurate as the OSTN02 transformation. Garmin and Magellan units use a transformation known as a Molodensky transformation (the equations and required parameters can be found in "Department of Defense World Geodetic System 1984 - Its Definition and Relationship with Local Geodetic Systems, NIMA TR8350.2, 3rd Edition, Amendment 1, 3 Jan 2000"). This leads to the discrepancies highlighted above. The transformations used by other manufacturers have not been investigated.
A number of strategies are available to remove the errors introduced by the Molodensky transformation. GPS waypoints can be downloaded to a computer using free or commercial software and the WGS84 latitude and longitude extracted. These can then be converted to British National Grid references using Grid InQuest or the online program, both of which have a batch mode facility. Alternatively, if the British National Grid references have been copied from the GPS screen, these can be converted back into WGS84 latitude and longitude values using the Molodensky transformation equations directly or by using either of the free programs Geotrans or GPS Utility. As before, these can then be converted to British National Grid references using Grid InQuest. All three packages have a batch conversion facility.
When entering position coordinates of a location into a GPS, one has to bear in mind the source of the coordinates. If a grid reference has been read from the screen of a GPS unit, then entering the grid reference into another GPS unit using its own input screen will result in a point in the correct location (even though the grid reference may be incorrect). However, if the position coordinates are uploaded using computer software, the coordinates should be in the form of WGS84 latitude and longitude values.
Since we presume most users will be using 10-figure grid references for input to GPS units, we have not corrected the GPS measurements for the systematic error described above. Some ten-figure grid references were obtained by differential GPS (see survey), and these instruments report accurate grid references to the OSGB36 standard. To align with the other data, the systematic error of the Garmin/Magellan instruments has been introduced into the grid reference using the reverse of the correction procedure described above.
Because 6-figure grid references are usually used with maps, we correct the 10-figure grid references for the GPS error before truncating them to derive the figure for the Grid Reference field. This is done automatically when applying a GPS update to the database by means of an Access/VBA application that successively transforms the data to WGS84 and OSGB36 using components of GPS Utility and Grid InQuest. This operation also populates the Latitude and Longitude, xcoord, ycoord and GridrefXY fields.
The Irish National Grid is defined by the Airy Modified Ellipsoid and the Ireland 65 map datum, which uses a transverse mercator projection (this is in the process of being redefined with respect to the ETRF89 geoid and Irish Transverse Mercator). The transformation from latitude/longitude uses the OSi/OSNI Polynomial Transformation, which can be performed by GridInquest or online. Irish GPS measurements undergo the correction procedure outlined above for British data.
The feature to which the 10-figure grid reference refers is identified in the Feature field. Alternative candidates for the summit are given in the Observations field. Many GPS data contributors submit measurements for other locations that are not summit contenders. Few of these are entered in the DoBIH, but all are recorded in a separate database of GPS measurements from which the entries in the DoBIH are derived. The GPS database is distributed to contributors at regular intervals as an Excel file and to anyone else who requests it.Excel template; however we will accept data in any format. You can also submit your data on Hill Bagging if you are a registered user. Your GPS should be set up according to the manufacturer's instructions using British Grid as the position format and Ordnance Survey GB as the map datum. For Ireland, use Irish Grid and Ireland 1965, and for the Channel Islands, UTM/UPS and WGS84. GPS units take a few minutes to stabilise and give reliable data. Try to remember to switch on your GPS a few minutes before reaching the summit and try to leave the unit for at least five minutes to settle once it has locked on to satellites before taking a reading.
Some newer GPS instruments, e.g. Garmin Oregon and Montana models, have a built-in barometric altimeter and use this by default to record height in preference to the height measurement of the GPS. Please record the GPS height and not the height from the barometric altimeter.
Please send your GPS data to for British hills and to for Irish hills. We welcome your input.
We do not publish 10-figure grid references from maps because spot heights and trig points are frequently not at the summit.
For a list of those who have contributed data, please see acknowledgements.
Where no survey equipment has been employed, we do not claim that the feature and its accompanying ten-figure grid reference represents the true summit of the hill; it is the best endeavour of the contributor who submits the data.
ObservationsThis field contains information that supplements the Feature field. For example, it may describe the summit relative to other more obvious features, or it may give a grid reference for an alternative summit position.
The protocol used by the DoBIH survey team for defining heights and positions in the presence of water features, moveable rocks, man-made structures, or when ground has otherwise been disturbed by man, is explained in Summits and Cols.
The most basic surveying tool we use is an Abney level which has a resolution of about 50cm of height per 100m of distance. This is sufficient to enable the true summit position of most hills to be determined, although the relatively poor resolution only permits height differences to be determined semi-quantitatively. For hills where greater resolution is required, we initially employed a Leica Runner 20 Automatic level. This instrument has a x20 telescope and gives a resolution of about 1cm of height per 100m of distance. We subsequently purchased a Leica NA730 Automatic level which boasts a x30 telescope and correspondingly higher resolution of about 0.5cm of height per 100m of distance. An Abney level is a small device weighing about 150g which easily packs into a rucksack. A Leica Runner weighs about 1500g, occupies significant space in a daysack and also requires a sturdy tripod.
We also possess a Leica Disto A8 laser measurer that measures both distances and angles. This was used to survey Castell y Gwynt and the depth of the railway cuttings at the cols of Lambrigg Fell and Milk Hill.
Optical levels are of limited use for accurate determination of height because they require a suitable datum e.g. a trig point of similar altitude that can be sighted directly or indirectly. Hills surveyed by this means include Birks Fell, Cracoe Fell and Great Yarlside. Optical levels enable accurate measurements of drop by differential levelling, and this has enabled us to determine the status of hills on the borderline of inclusion in the Nuttalls' and Dewey's lists. Because of the number of staff placements required and the time this would take, the technique is impractical for determining Marilyn status, where the drop is 150m. Differential GPS does not have these limitations, enabling accurate determination of height and drop for most hills. In 2009 we acquired a Leica 530 survey-grade GPS system, which we used on all surveys requiring accurate determination of summit height and for most measurements of drop. Prior to this purchase we surveyed Craig Fach and Mynydd Graig Goch by differential GPS in collaboration with Leica Geosystems. A number of hills have had their drop measured by both optical levelling and differential GPS and agreement has invariably been excellent.
In October 2012 we purchased a Leica Viva GS15 Professional GPS receiver to replace the Leica 530. The precision of the two instruments is comparable and dependent on the data collection time. For one hour's data collection this is about ±0.07m (3 standard deviations) and for 3hr data collection it is about ±0.03m (3sd). Where the new instrument has been used the survey field will contain the entry "Leica GS15".
The overall precision of a measurement is also dependent on the correct location of the col and/or summit. We do this with level and staff and in the case of cols we take measurements of a grid of flags laid out over the col area in order to determine its topography. This enables us to locate the position of the col as accurately as possible. For most of our surveys the overall uncertainty in summit height is ±0.1m and of col height ±0.15m (3sd), but the nature of the terrain (see below) is critical. For more information see the survey report for the particular hill.
During 2012 a Leica RX1250 GPS receiver was acquired by Alan Dawson and his survey results are also recorded in DoBIH. The instrument's precision is the same as that of ours, but until late 2012 when an Abney level was purchased, no instrumental method was used to locate a summit or col. These surveys are identified by "Leica RX1250" in the Survey field and reports may be found at http://www.rhb.org.uk/reports/.
In Ireland, MountainViews has acquired a Trimble Geo XH 6000 receiver. As of v14, 64 hills quote heights obtained with their instrument, identified by "Trimble Geo XH 6000" in the Survey field. A number of surveys were carried out jointly with MountainViews at the end of August 2013 to compare measurements made with their instrument and ours. The results are reported in A performance evaluation – Trimble GeoXH 6000 vs. Leica Viva GS15 Professional.
When surveying summits and more particularly cols, the overall accuracy of the measurements is more often determined by the nature of the terrain than by the limitations of the equipment. If a summit is covered with thick tussock grass or heather, it can be difficult to establish the summit location even using automatic level and staff. In a very few surveys we have determined, from variation in level and staff measurements, uncertainties of up to ±0.2m. The situation is worse for cols of complex topography and thickly vegetated terrain, when uncertainties could reach ±0.5m on occasion. Clearly, without instrumentation to locate summits and cols, it is sometimes impossible to produce satisfactory estimates of the uncertainty in the measurements, which could exceed the above figures.
The heights of Foinaven and Beinn Dearg were measured by a survey company, CMCR, for The Munro Society.
Our own survey reports can be read at www.hill-bagging.co.uk/surveys.php. For details of the surveying methods and more detailed discussion of the accuracy of the measurements, see The Accuracy of The Munro Society Heighting Surveys. Video footage of some of the surveys can be viewed at G & J Surveys.
Where an instrument is not required to determine the summit position and no other survey has been conducted, 'obvious summit' is recorded in the Survey field. A blank field denotes that the hill has not been surveyed.
CommentsSignificant revisions, alternative summit locations not from site visits, and other explanatory notes. We do not comment on revisions of a routine nature.
In Ireland this field links to the OSi map viewer with the Wind Report overlay, which shows more detail than Street Map (beta). In Northern Ireland the only detailed mapping is offered by the Historic options.Hill Bagging.
We have found a bug in Geograph that can cause the coordinates to be displayed incorrectly in the zoomable map. The grid reference readout will be some distance from the cursor position. From reports to date the error appears to be always in the northing, the displacement in metres being scale dependent. So positioning the cursor on an intersection of grid lines e.g. SD 38000 97000 may give a readout SD 38000 96957 on the 1:25k map. A similar error will occur in the position of blue circle. On clicking inside the map, the green circle will be displaced relative to the cursor. The problem appears to be unrelated to the operating system and can come and go on the same hardware.old-maps.co.uk. Not available on Hill Bagging except via the Geograph link, where it is shown on moving the cursor inside the zoomable map.
Latitude, LongitudeWGS84 coordinates calculated from the xcoord, ycoord values. The accuracy will depend on the source of the measurement. Use of latitude/longitude gives compatibility across Britain, Ireland and the Channel Islands. Not available in Hill Bagging except by showing the map and moving the cursor to the triangle marker.
For hills having an entry in the Grid Ref 10 field, the systematic component of the GPS error has been removed. For hills lacking a 10-figure GR, the 6-figure GR is converted to a 10-figure GR by padding with zeros. Used for generating the Geograph map links, which unlike Streetmap do not accept xcoord/ycoord or lat/long. Not shown in the search results table or in Hill Bagging, but available in the hills table of the Access database and in the Excel and csv versions.
Tumpnumber 110803 Eilean Mor was found to duplicate another hill in the P30 Appendix and had been deleted from Hill Bagging (it had no logs). To simplify the transfer of users' ascent records from the P30 Appendix to the DoBIH, we have reused this Tumpnumber for the most recently added new Tump, hill 18745. Given its location, and that the duplication of Tumpnumber 101875 (now hill 9906) occured only 8 months before release of v14, it is highly unlikely that anyone will have logged Appendix hill 110803 elsewhere.MountainViews website which takes the form mountainviews.ie/summit/xxxx where xxxx is MVNumber.
Munro's Tables gives the West Top as the cairned point at NN385185, hill 37. It likely to be deleted in the next edition as it is only 200m from hill 2925 with ca.10m of drop.
To summarise, the current status of the Beinn a'Chroin tops is as follows:
— Geograph at maximum magnification gives summit 876m, col 844m, drop 32m
— 1:10k (1970) gives summit 875.4m, col 845.8m, drop 29.6m (equivalent to 1:10560 imperial heights)
— 1:25k gives summit 875m, col 846m, drop 29m
— OS Openspace vector map gives summit 876m
— 1:50k gives summit 875m
— 1:10560 (1902) gives col 846.7m (converted from 2778ft, Newlyn correction zero hereabouts)
The hill was not originally classified as a Corbett Top/Sim, but was promoted in August 2013.
The height of nearby Cairn Ewen (hill 6232) is shown as 875m on the 1:10k and 1:25k maps, raising the possibility that its status should be switched with Carn na Criche. Geograph and the OS vector map show 874m, albeit in a slightly different location. The balance of probability therefore lies with Carn na Criche being the higher of the two.
The latest 1:25000 map gives 1010(1011) for the trig point and 1010 for the Munro, suggesting the trig point summit is higher. The 1011m figure clearly relates to the rocks 12m east of the trig pillar. The 1:10560 map gives 3314ft (1010.1m) for the trig point and 3315ft (1010.4m) for the Munro. The 1971 1:10000 map also gives 1010.1 for the trig point (a rare case of a decimal height on the metric map), in keeping with the flush bracket height of 1010.4. A photograph suggests the rocks are possibly 0.4-0.5m higher than the base of the pillar. The evidence therefore suggests the trig point has the higher summit, but with a considerable degree of uncertainty. The Marilyn was moved to the trig point summit (hill 686) in August 2013.online Table. Accordingly, we have classified hill 715 as a deleted Corbett.
Following a survey which found Buidhe Bheinn to be 29cm higher, the SMC demoted Sgurr a'Bhac Chaolais on 3 November 2012. Thus Buidhe Bheinn is now the sole Corbett. The following day it was reported on the rhb group that the Marilyn pair had been de-twinned and the Marilyn moved from Sgurr a'Bhac Chaolais to Buidhe Bheinn.
There is no 610m contour surrounding Druim Fada point 614m (originally Druim Fada, height 615m), which was added in July 2007 on the basis of a drop of 32m measured by altimeter. The assignation of the cols to hills 4270 and 4272 is uncertain. The summit of hill 4272 is also 614m and the cols east and west of hill 4270 both have spot heights of 1909ft on old 6" maps.
Following confirmation that the Ordnance Survey will adopt the height information from the recent surveys carried out by the Munro Society, the Scottish Mountaineering Club (SMC) can confirm that it will amend the official list of Munros (Munro's Tables®), which it maintains, to show that Sgurr nan Ceannaichean (913m) is now no longer a Munro. This change brings the number of separate summits in former SMC member Sir Hugh Munro's list of 3000 foot peaks to 283. Sgurr nan Ceannaichean will be added to Corbett's Tables which the SMC also maintains and all future SMC publications will show these changes. The SMC is grateful to the Munro Society for its efforts and for bringing this revised height information to its attention.
Surveys of Ben Vane (915.8m), Beinn Teallach (914.6m) and Sgurr a'Choire-bheithe (913.3m) confirmed the status quo.Grough.
In 2007 The Munro Society commissioned a survey of Foinaven. The summit height, ratified by the OS, was reported as 911.0m. The new height is shown on the current 1:25000 map. A survey of Beinn Dearg (hill 970) commissioned at the same time confirmed the hill's Corbett status, the measured 913.7m equating to the old levelled height of 2998ft.
Then in August 2006 Ken Stewart obtained a new height of 914.95 ± 0.5m from the OS, derived from high order photogrammetry and GPS. On enquiring about the methodology, the OS replied The photo model was controlled using sub 0.1m accuracy GPS (i.e. points on the ground were fixed that could be identified on the imagery - GPS was not taken to the summit). The accuracy of the imagery heighting using this method is quoted as ±0.5m for the Z (height) value. Not everyone accepted the data as conclusive (see issue 69 of The Angry Corrie). Knight's Peak was eventually reclassified from Corbett Top to Murdo in 2010, but doubts remained.
The issue was finally settled by a survey carried out on 13 September 2013 by our Survey Team in conjunction with the SMC and The Munro Society. The higher of the two summit peaks is 914.24m and the lower one 914.16m. The demotion from Munro Top was announced on 13 November on BBC Scotland.
Craig Fach (2032, 30B) and Mynydd Graig Goch (2033, 30B)These hills, both with spot heights of 609m on OS maps, were surveyed on 11 August 2008 by John Barnard, Graham Jackson and Myrddyn Phillips in collaboration with Leica Geosystems. Craig Fach's Dewey status was confirmed but Mynydd Graig Goch was shown to be over 2000ft high, making the hill a Hewitt and Nuttall. The event is described in the press release. Many readers will be aware of the events that followed. The team had planned an announcement at Snowdonia Parks centre (Plas Tan-y-Bwlch) but had not achieved much success in getting the press to attend. Then the BBC got hold of the story and everything mushroomed, with coverage on Radio 4, BBC TV and ITV on Friday 19 September and in the national newspapers the following morning. The promotion of Mynydd Graig Goch to "mountain" status may have provided the whimsical note that captured the nation's interest, but a contributory factor might have been the relief afforded from the relentless stream of financial and economic bad news. 16 April 2009. The measured drop of 150.00 ± 0.2m sparked some debate as to whether the promotion was justified. However all hill lists, whether the authors recognise it or not, are based on the premise that a hill belongs if it has a 50% or greater probability of meeting the criterion.
Mynydd Ceiswyn (3431, 30F) and Domen-ddu (3466, 31B)Added to the original list of 500m summits (with Great Yarlside) by Michael Dewey, but challenged on the rhb group by Rob Woodall and others. These hills, together with Great Yarlside, were promoted on the basis of measurements on hand-held GPS units, which lack sufficient accuracy for this type of work. All three hills have since been shown by accurate levelling to lack the required drop. Details can be found in Survey Reports. A number of other Deweys, mostly hills added after publication of the original list, have been demoted after surveying. See the Dewey change register for a full list of changes. second survey in June 2010, using equipment capable of higher resolution, found the east top to be 7cm higher. Accordingly hill 2197, formerly an alternative summit mentioned in the rhb update sheet, is now the Marilyn. Hill 2196 has been renamed West Top.
The 1:25000 map is misleading, as the summit is within the 440m contour ring 160m to the east of the easterly 442m spot. Furthermore, the largest scale on Geograph gives a 441m spot height at the summit, lower than the other two contenders and contradicting the survey results.surveyed the hill on 13 September 2011 on an occasion to mark the 10th anniversary of the Database of British Hills. The northern summit, Twr y Fan Foel (hill 5603) is 0.75m higher than the trig point (hill 2230). The result has been accepted by the list authors, so the Marilyn, Hewitt and Nuttall move to hill 5603. Hill 2230 remains the Buxton & Lewis, Bridge and Trail 100 top. rhb group that the Marilyn would remain Mynydd Machen for the time being. The majority of comments on the rhb group supported this decision. Photographs of the summit area can be viewed on www.hill-summitareas.org.uk and on Geograph.
Version 2 of Summits and Cols decrees that for an unfinished or incompletely landscaped artificial hill, a point on the perimeter is chosen to represent the summit. Given the vegetation on the slopes, the highest natural ground would probably be difficult if not impossible to ascertain on the ground. The choice of location is of some importance because if the height were below 353m the hill would cease to qualify as a Hump. After comparing the modern 1:25k map with the 1951 1:25k map, we have chosen a point at ST 1755 9075 at which the old path from the west has been diverted northwards to join the bridleway. It lies just below the 360m contour on the modern map. However the spoil heap is steep-sided and a height of c.355m is more consistent with the old map. The path is probably lower than than the trig point which is shown as 1171ft (357m) on the 1961 1" map. Note that contours are accurate to ±5m whereas the trig height should be accurate to better than 1m.summit, and a levelled height of 514ft near the col. Smaller scale imperial maps are consistent in giving 849ft, which became 259m on early 1:50000 maps. Metric maps give an air height of 257m for the summit, and a height of 157m further from the col. Because levelled heights are much more accurate than air heights, and the 514ft spot is closer to the col, we regard the old maps as giving the best estimate of drop. An estimated col height of 515-516ft would give a drop of 101-102m. We have taken a conservative view by retaining the col height at 158m and increasing the summit height to 259m. The local correction to the Newlyn vertical height datum is -0.3ft. Abney Level survey by John Barnard and Graham Jackson found the south top to be 1m higher. locations for their respective summits on Armboth Fell. The Birkett summit is a large rock outcrop with a small cairn at the 479m spot height (NY 29677 15967). The Wainwright summit is a rock and heather outcrop at NY 29584 15740. Photograph 1 shows this summit alongside Wainwright's sketch. The cairn has been reduced to a mere handful of stones and is no longer visible from below. Supporting evidence for the location of Wainwright's summit is provided by photograph 2 which shows the "shepherd's cairn on a rock" alongside Wainwright's sketch. This can be found on a rocky outcrop at NY 29631 15534, which is almost exactly a furlong south of the Wainwright summit cairn. Again, the cairn on this boulder has been removed or destroyed. The prominence east of north mentioned in Wainwright's summit description is probably the 479m spot height. 1:25k map; the arrow shows the position of the 10-figure grid reference formerly in the database (it was replaced in v12.1 by NY45461630 20m SSW following the Abney survey). A detailed survey by Jim Bloomer with an Abney Level estimated the south top as 3-4m higher than the north top, supporting the mapping. The Nuttalls announced the move on 7 March 2012. information from the OS that suggested its height might be 488m. We have surveyed the hill by differential GPS and find the summit height to be 486.9m and the drop 147.7m. The second demotion of Baystones was announced on 11 Feb 2010. The northern summit was estimated as 0.83m lower by optical levelling and therefore 486.1m in height.
Prior to v11 we did not list the two summits separately. Hill 3838 was added to distinguish the location of the Birkett from the Wainwright and (sub)Marilyn.photograph on p.202 of Birkett's The Complete Lakeland Fells (the original photo is in colour but the scan has been reproduced in b/w to match Wainwright's sketch). The 410m contour ring at NY497148 is at best 412 metres high and is nothing more than a heathery mound that has clearly never had a cairn on it. Birkett's location is verified in a photograph of Wallow Crag taken by George Gradwell. 16 November 2011 after a levelling survey demonstrated that the hill lacks the required 30m of ascent. The Wainwright Outlying Fell is hill 2575, close to a 19th century circular trig station. The height was mistakenly given on OS maps as 1986ft (605m) at one time, probably a transcription error as it was previously 1936ft, leading Wainwright to choose that location. Marhofn, previously not even a subMarilyn. A survey in October 2010 found the drop to be 150.8 ± 0.4m. The critical measurement is the height of the col, which is in a railway cutting. The survey of the col is recorded in a video. square cairn at SD 29814 89815, height 221m (725ft). A survey by Jim Bloomer and George Gradwell with an Abney level established that the true summit, a 229m spot height on OS maps, is a rock outcrop at SD 29885 89889. The square cairn was probably the highest point on Wainwright's route over the fell to a second cairn at SD 29809 90026 (sketch on p.94). We estimate the second cairn (within a small 700ft contour on the 1:10560 map) to be at least 5m lower than the square cairn and yet Wainwright declares it to be at approximately 730ft, supporting our conclusion that he believed the square cairn to be at the 748ft spot. The positions of the two cairns and the true summit are shown on this map and photograph.
The trig point is the historic County Top of Durham. In v14 we created a new hill (8036) for this summit, which is also the Bridge and Buxton & Lewis top. It is a moot point as to whether the Nuttall should be taken as the location given in the book or, given the prominence definition, the surveyed location. To avoid compromising the logs of walkers who only visited the trig but regard the Nuttall as bagged, we have retained the Nuttall as hill 2714 and amended the entry in the Comments field.
The only other Nuttall with a non-trivial difference between the surveyed and book locations is 2028 Pen y Castell, where the separation is 230m.Nuttall and deleting it from the Deweys. The news was announced by Grough on 3 April 2013. For further details see the survey report.
This is the exact converse of the result for Calf Top, another hill with a summit close to a 609m trig point where 6 hours of data collected on two surveys gave a height of 609.58m, 2cm below 2000ft.22 October 2010 after a survey revealed the height to be 498.8m, and Hand Lake on 25 November 2010 after the height had been measured as 499.6m. Contours on OS maps at 10m spacing are stated by the OS to be accurate to ±5m. Marginal Deweys have been a target of our surveying team since 2007, which has resulted in several changes to the list. For a complete list of changes see the Dewey change register. Is Calf Top a new 2000ft mountain?. Because of the margin of error there remains a significant possibility that the hill exceeds 2000ft in reality, so baggers seeking assurance that they have ascended all English hills over 2000ft should climb the hill.
The impasse was resolved when John Barnard and Graham Jackson surveyed the hill using a precision optical level. A follow-up survey confirmed their finding that the hill was definitely above 2000 feet, their estimate being 610.4 ± 0.2m or between 2002 and 2003ft. Details of both surveys can be read in Survey Reports. Subsequently the Nuttalls obtained a revised figure of 2001ft at SD919764 from the OS (from a 1920 levelling survey) which they indicated will appear on the next update of the 1:25000 Explorer. The OS later (19 Dec 2007) indicated that the new 610m spot will be shown at SD 9186 7637, a little to the south west of the cairn and in agreement with the 1:50000 map. However they appear to have erred in putting the 610m spot at SD916763 on the latest 1:25000 map, approximately the same position as the previous 608m spot.survey results, in an announcement on the rhb group. Independent data from digital elevation models dismiss any real possibility that the col for Raw Head might lie in an area outside the surveyed region. ancient road probably dating from the Bronze Age, which follows the county boundary with Leicestershire hereabouts. In the 18th century it became used as a drove road, when it became known as Sewestern Drift or The Drift, the latter name being shown on maps. The ancient road forms part of the Viking Way, a modern long distance footpath.
The man-made road has been raised above the level of the surrounding land, at least in parts. The contouring on the modern map suggests two possible locations for the natural summit (i.e. before the building of the road), each within a 150m contour. The southern location is at SK889236 and the northern at SK851310. A site visit confirmed the impression from photographs that at the southern location, 40m south of the crossroads, the road lies on a shallow embankment c.40m wide at the base and perhaps 2m high. The 10-figure grid reference in the database is for the locally highest point, determined by Abney Level as c.0.5m higher than the crossroads. The 1976 1:2500 map has a ground height of 150.8m at the crossroads (151m on the 1983 1:10000 map and on Geograph mapping); the 1888 1:2500 map has a 495ft spot height at the crossroads and a picket benchmark at 495.2ft at the south corner of the wood.
Large scale maps show that further south the embankment rises. The 1976 1:2500 map gives two 152.3m spot heights at SK 8892 2333 and SK 8889 2309. The latter location has a 152m spot on the 1983 1:10000 map and on Geograph mapping and is coincident with the locally highest ground determined by Abney Level. However the ground falls away more steeply on both sides of the road than to the north, perhaps 4m vertically to the east and 3m to the west. The original ground beneath the embankment is therefore probably lower than at the location 40m south of the crossroads, as suggested by the contouring. Our Summits and Cols protocol decrees that a man-made feature can only be adopted as the summit when it overlies the natural summit. We have therefore discounted the 152.3m location as a candidate for the summit of the County Top.
We have not visited the northern summit, for which there are no spot heights on old or current maps. However the natural summit could well be at this location, particularly if the contour at the southern summit includes the embankment. Hence we recommend that both summits are visited.line survey on 28 July 2008 which confirmed that the highest natural ground is at TQ 38708 55182 around the base of the water tower compound, ca. 3 metres higher than the trig point flush bracket.
The relocation of this hill raises a bagging ethics issue for those who have only visited the original location. A resident of Scotland might feel aggrieved at having to make the journey to reclaim the Marilyn. However the Marhofn editor instructed HoF members to reduce their year-end total by 1 if they had not done so. A similar issue arose with the replacement of Sgurr a'Bhac Chaolais by Buidhe Bheinn, although many would regard it as de rigeur to climb both summits of a twin Marilyn.old UTM30 grid, as does the 1:10560 map.
The States of Guernsey Official Map (2010) has no spot heights.
Both imperial maps show a 460ft contour ring NE of Les Platons centred at WV658560 on the old UTM grid system. The current map has a 140m contour here, centred on WV657557 on the new UTM30 grid. The 1969 map gives a spot height of 376ft (115m) within this contour; the other maps have just the contour ring. However the 1969 map has colour-coded topographical shading and there is only one 400ft contour on Jersey. Within that contour, the next highest spot after Les Platons is 436.7ft at WV662553. It seems clear that that the 460ft/140m contour is actually 360ft/110m and a labelling error in the early map has been propagated in modern maps. This may be the source of the 143m "unnamed location" quoted in the CIA World Factbook and reproduced in other web pages, which some articles have subsequently associated with Les Platons.downloads for instructions.
The Hills table is at the core of the database. Classification (hill list) and Area information are in separate tables, with "link" tables to identify the Classes and Areas to which a hill belongs.
You do not have to be knowledgeable about relational databases to use it. Viewing hill data, and logging your ascents, are simplified by the provision of a number of forms and screens.
The Userlog facility allows you to record date climbed and other details of the ascent. There is a User table that allows multiple users to share the same copy of the database, each maintaining separate logs. Users pursuing second or subsequent rounds will find it helpful to assign separate user names to each round in order to monitor their totals for the repeat rounds.
On opening the database you are presented with a Welcome screen, which is the start point for all the facilities provided by the database. It provides the following options.
Older devices, e.g. the earlier eTrex models, connect to a computer via a com port. A USB conversion cable can be purchased, but some users have reported difficulty in getting it to function.
Grid references are uploaded to the two types of instrument in different ways.
Uploading grid references to later modelsTen-figure grid references of all hills are available in a Point of Interest (POI) file accessed on the downloads page or from a query in the Access database. Bernie Hughes' file contains all British hills, plus 30 hills not in the database. The facility on Hill Bagging allows the user to select a subset of hills meeting particular criteria. The latter has a "long" version that includes all the key fields in the database (as does Bernie Hughes' file), and a "short" version that has only the location, hill name and height. The "POI csv extract" query in the Access database (accessible from the Queries menu in the DoBIH v14:Database screen) returns the "long" version.
Connect your GPS to your PC. Create a subfolder named POI in the Garmin folder of the GPS and copy the file into it. No further action is needed for Bernie Hughes' file as it is already in gpi format. If you created the file in Hill Bagging or Access, save it as filename.csv (rather than .txt) and upload it to your Garmin device using Garmin POI Loader. NB. Do not use numeric characters in your filename – they will cause speed/proximity alerts to be added to your POI.
Disconnect the GPS from the PC and switch it on. You might have to experiment to learn how to display all the data in the POI file. On a Garmin eTrex 20 the process is as follows (Click means push down on toggle switch):
You will now have a screen with the name of the hill at the top, map in centre and Go button at bottom.
For the models listed above the screen will display all the hill details in the POI file, viz. name, height, ten-figure grid reference, hill number, classification, feature, and (depending on the file) other fields such as climbed date, drop, map, observations, survey and comment fields. The fields following the name, height and ten-figure grid reference are combined and presented in the Comment box of the instrument. Note that some earlier models with USB connectivity (not in the list above) do not have a Comment box and therefore do not display this information. The "short" version obtained from Hill Bagging is suitable for those. We would be grateful for information on other models.
For hills where no ten-figure grid reference has been recorded, the grid reference is for the SW corner of the 100m square in which the summit is thought to reside and consequently the GPS will not take you to the summit itself. These hills are easily identified in instruments where a Comment box is displayed because such hills lack a feature, observation and survey entry.
Waypoints may be uploaded to the GPS via a GPS exchange (gpx) file. This can be created using the facility on Hill Bagging mentioned above (link on Downloads page). Alternatively, it can be created in GPS Utility by a similar method to that described below, i.e. by creating a text file from a csv file using GPSU File Converter, opening it in GPS Utility and then saving it as a gpx file. The file may then be copied to the GPX subfolder in the Garmin directory of the GPS.
Uploading grid references to early modelsGrid references from the database can be uploaded to a GPS unit using appropriate software. We are aware of three websites that offer such software: GPS Utility, G7toWin, and Oziexplorer. GPS Utility and Oziexplorer are commercial packages but evaluation copies can be downloaded free of charge. G7toWin is freeware. We have evaluated GPS Utility and G7toWin. We understand that Anquet Maps and Memory Map also have facilities for importing grid references but we have not investigated these.
Instructions for GPS UtilityDownload both GPS Utility and GPSU File Converter. The latter converts files with a csv extension to text files that open in GPS Utility. The steps involved in the process of uploading a file to a GPS are as follows.
Setting up GPSU File ConverterOpen the application and enter the following information:
Setting up GPS Utility
Note that it is the unique Hill Number that is transferred to the GPS in our test file and not the Hill Name. The Garmin eTrex only accepts six characters for a waypoint name and most hill names are much longer than this. Unique Hill Numbers do not exceed six characters in length. When starting a walk, the appropriate Hill Number will be visible in MapView (when set to the appropriate scale) on the eTrex and the user will be able to identify the correct hill to select in GOTO when approaching the summit area. One of the authors has used a dataset of twenty hills uploaded to a Garmin eTrex and successfully navigated to all of them in this way. Whilst the hill name is a useful identifier in the csv file, it is not necessary once the whole dataset is in the GPS. However if the user prefers to abbreviate hill names and use these as the ID, this is easily accommodated by GPS Utility.
GPS Utility (GPSU) text files can also be created in Hill Bagging.
The ten-figure grid references in the database will usually take the user to within 5m of the target feature. The database is available in csv format from the downloads page, while user-specified subsets can be created by the Hill Bagging website to registered users. We recommend you use one of these versions to create the files for uploading to your GPS.
We are grateful to Darren Parker who first kindled our interest in uploading ten-figure grid references from the database to a GPS unit, and to Bernie Hughes for first creating POI files from the database.
For Marilyns and Grahams, the hill order in RHB/TACit can be reproduced approximately by further sorting by descending height.
We are particularly keen to receive 10 figure GPS measurements from readers. Please see under 10 Figure Grid References for the information we need.
Hill surveying is a core activity of the DoBIH editorial team that enables us to provide accurate data on hills where height, drop or location are critical. Our surveys are carried out to professional standards and our data are accepted by Ordnance Survey. Hills where OS have adopted new summit heights supplied by the survey team include Sgurr nan Ceannaichean, Beinn a'Chlaidheimh, Beinn Dearg Mor, Knight's Peak, Glyder Fawr, Tryfan, Mynydd Graig Goch, Calf Top and Thack Moor.
Our equipment comprises a Leica GS15 survey-grade GPS capable of measuring height to 5cm, a Leica NA730 automatic x30 telescopic level, a Leica Runner automatic x20 telescopic level, a 1m surveyor's staff extendable to 5m, three tripods and a Leica Disto A8 for measuring distance and angles. This suite of equipment enables us to determine absolute height and drop, usually to better than 0.2m, in almost any terrain.
We have received several donations from supporters and are very grateful to everyone who has helped us.
Anyone wishing to support the fund can do so via the PayPal link or by contacting one of the editors. Our "to do" list of candidate hills for surveying is available in Excel and can be forwarded on request. If you have suggestions for hills to survey please forward these to . We welcome your input.
We are grateful to the following walkers for contributing 10-figure GPS readings to the database: Alan & Kathy Duval, Alasdair Alexander, Alex Barbour, Andrew Brown, Andrew Round, Andy Lindley, Andy Tomkins, Andrew West, Anthony Duffield, Anton Ciritis, Bengt Karlsson, Bernie Hughes, Bert Barnett, Bill Morden, Brian Diggle, Carolyn Hastings, Charlie Scrimgeour, Chris Bienkowski, Chris Clissold, Chris Derrick, Chris Watson, Chris Walker, Colin MacKenzie, Conrad Izatt, Craig Mungin, Dale Wilson, Darren Groutage, David Baird, David Brown, David Claymore, David Gradwell, David Purchase, David Williams, David White, Del Wilson, Dennis Foster, Derek Blackburn, Derek Norry, Derek Snaith, Des Taylor, Douglas Law, Gareth Solomon, Grant Bain, Henry Marston, Ian Baines, Ian Henderson, Ken Wood, Iain Macaulay, Iain Rudkin, Idwal Jones, Jim Coombes, John Edwards, John Smith, Jonathan Glew, Jonathan Russell, Judy Catterall, Laurence Rudkin, Lindsay Boyd, Lionel Bidwell, Liz Nicholas, Lyndon Day, Malcolm Ratcliffe, Mark Trengove, Martin Richardson, Martin Roberts, Michael Earnshaw, Michael Elcock, Mick Moore, Mike Mason, Mike Scott, Neil McVicar, Peter & Liz Hastie, Paul Kingston, Paul Miller, Paul Ward, Paul Woodcock, Pete Fairhurst, Pete & Barbara Nelson, Peter Cottam, Phil Catterall, Phil Sidwell, Richard Cooper, Richard Tibbetts, Richard Webb, Rick Salter, Robert Davies, Robert Poole, Rob Woodall, Roger Hewitt, Ron Bell, Ross Drummond, Roy Davidson, Sandra Morrison, Stephen Dawson, Steve Smith, Stuart Joynson, Ted Richards, Toby Thurston, Tom Levell, Tony Hartry, Tony Jenkins, Tony Watson and Tuco Ramirez.
We are indebted to the authors of the published lists, without whose efforts this database would not exist: the SMC, Alan Dawson, John and Anne Nuttall, Michael Dewey, Paddy Dillon, Clem Clements, Simon Stewart, Chris Buxton and Gwyn Lewis, Bill Birkett, Timothy Synge, Mark Richards and Alfred Wainwright. Their publications are well worth obtaining as they make stimulating reading and contain far more information on the lists than is given in this database.
Updated 24 July 2014